Just got my first straight, what next?

[Billyfergie]

Quick question @Billyfergie
Would you call this:

*French Point?
*Irish Point?
*Japanese French Point?
*None of the above?
I was just gonna say "What would you call this?" but that begged the reply "I'd call it 'A razor...'
or "I'd call it 'Ian' or 'Gladys' or 'Schnookums'

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Hell..Knows..Some Folks Would Call it a Round Square Point..

Billy

 

[Lord Fatboy]

Hell..Knows..Some Folks Would Call it a Round Square Point..

Billy

The guy just got back to me about his hone method for my round square point
"bevel set on 1k Shapton, finished on a Japanese natural with tomo nagura slurry" Hmmm...(^_-)

 

[Lord Fatboy]

That's it, try, try and try again. Watch loads of youtube vids, separate the good from the bad, put on some zen music and use the lightest touch possible. When you get 'that' edge (which is easier than you think) and have 'that' shave its bloody awesome!
Well worth getting it done professionally too to feel the difference and as a benchmark.

It's be quicker to ask which honing & stropping vids I don't watch, but I think, after Keith Johnson my all time favourite is Dr Matt. He's the Dr Bill Nye of honing ... Very thorough, where others, no matter how skilled, often leave stuff out because they assume you know it (viz. A common comment under "beginner" shaving videos is "what is a pass?". He would tell you - at length - what a pass is)

 

[Lord Fatboy]

You will be Talkin Around 30 Micron Lapping Film to Work on that Dollar from the Factory..And Even then I Would Be Using Diamond Lapping Film for that Kinda Work..That's a Resto Job...Diamond Cuts Faster than Chromium Oxide Film...I Use Diamond 15 Micron to Bevel Set...I Use the Chromium Oxide Film for Progression because is a Far Smoother Polisher & Finnish..Its Also Softer..

Yeah its a Hans Baier Silver Tip...Lot of Brush for the Doe...Germans Unlike the Brits Don't Put Up with Pish Products...The Other One is a German Vintage VP Leonhardy...
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HANS-BAIE...422338?hash=item2ca9359602:g:xakAAOSwPhdVA0Jy

Billy

Is that the 3m Chrome lapping film - the stuff that comes in discs?

 

[Billyfergie]

Is that the 3m Chrome lapping film - the stuff that comes in discs?

Nah...I get it Here..Sheets...That get Cut to Size...
http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rc...xcihnnV7uZ4TVDz8A&sig2=AZKAApO36krx9fYWC-2c_w

Billy

 

[Lord Fatboy]

Nah...I get it Here..Sheets...That get Cut to Size...
http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjf26blhM_OAhXI5xoKHZkJAGIQFgg9MAE&url=http://www.workshopheaven.com/tools/3M_Lapping_Film.html&usg=AFQjCNEPXka8TUCc5xcihnnV7uZ4TVDz8A&sig2=AZKAApO36krx9fYWC-2c_w

Billy

I thought that, but I got confused between chromium oxide & aluminium oxide & silicon carbide (I've spent the last week staring at that page like carpet samples). I wish someone had told me that at 35 I'd suddenly become interested in metallurgy. (3m *do* make chromium oxide film, but only in sanding discs - mind you the largest disc they make is 26 inches wide, so would do the job). I wonder if old video tapes and audio cassettes are mild abrasives? They were made out of ferric/iron or chrome oxide...

 

[Billyfergie]

Don't Over Complicate it...You need Sheets for Length..Most Folks Use Crom/Ox...Is a Smooth Cutter...That Said...I Use 15 Micron Diamond for Bevel Setting as its a Faster Cutter..I use the Chrom/Ox for Progression...Its a Far Smoother Cutter & has Far More Cushion..Chrom/Ox is Fine for All You're Work..

Never Used any Other Film...

Billy.

 

[Lord Fatboy]

Don't Over Complicate it...You need Sheets for Length..Most Folks Use Crom/Ox...Is a Smooth Cutter...That Said...I Use 15 Micron Diamond for Bevel Setting as its a Faster Cutter..I use the Chrom/Ox for Progression...Its a Far Smoother Cutter & has Far More Cushion..Chrom/Ox is Fine for All You're Work..

Never Used any Other Film...

Billy.

What do you apply the 15 micron to? Felt or balsa or...? For that matter, what do you apply the CrOx to?

I've got both CrOx & FrOx on balsa - did a great job on those stropping blades. When the time comes, I'll get film. (tho' my first re-hone is free).

My honed GD arrived today & sauntered like a Scotch Ninjasaurus Rex through the very outer edge of a tomato skin no probs, tested in sections from heal to toe. It looks the business. But it's maybe been put in the shadow a bit by...
It's my birthday in a week(ish), and four friends + fiance clubbed together to buy me this (see pics !!! !!!). I got a right old shock when I saw the maker name (it's still in the post).
You're dead right, I should keep it simple, this is all happening so fast
I don't know my shank from my elbow.

 

[Billyfergie]

Right...You Just Lay the Film Flat on a Piece of Perspex or Glass...Cut to the Length of the Film or Slightly Longer...You Only Need One Hone Pad..You Just Change the Film When Moving through the Progression..That Vendor I Gave You Sells the Sticky Back...All You Do with that is Lay it on the Hone Pad You have Made Glass/Perspex with Some Water Underneath...Stops it Sticking..

You Can Also Use Film On a Piece of Cut Tile or Even on a Perfect Flat Kitchen Top at the Edge of it..That's it Dead Simple..I Spray Water Down Before Laying Down the Sticky Back Stuff to Stop it Sticking so I Can Change it on the One Hone Pad..Just Make Sure its Pure Flat & No Grit or Dirt Trapped Under it...Not Even a Hair..If You Get Dirt Trapped Under it...Rinse the Sheet Under a Running Tap to Clean it..

Before You Put it away just Clean it Under Running Tap & Dry it & Put it Away Out of the Way from the Sunlight..That's All You Need to Know About Lapping Film..

Thats it..Simple Simon..

Billy

 

[Lord Fatboy]

Right...You Just Lay the Film Flat on a Piece of Perspex or Glass...Cut to the Length of the Film or Slightly Longer...You Only Need One Hone Pad..You Just Change the Film When Moving through the Progression..That Vendor I Gave You Sells the Sticky Back...All You Do with that is Lay it on the Hone Pad You have Made Glass/Perspex with Some Water Underneath...Stops it Sticking..

You Can Also Use Film On a Piece of Cut Tile or Even on a Perfect Flat Kitchen Top at the Edge of it..That's it Dead Simple..I Spray Water Down Before Laying Down the Sticky Back Stuff to Stop it Sticking so I Can Change it on the One Hone Pad..Just Make Sure its Pure Flat & No Grit or Dirt Trapped Under it...Not Even a Hair..If You Get Dirt Trapped Under it...Rinse the Sheet Under a Running Tap to Clean it..

Before You Put it away just Clean it Under Running Tap & Dry it & Put it Away Out of the Way from the Sunlight..That's All You Need to Know About Lapping Film..

Thats it..Simple Simon..

Billy

Y'never said "Simon Says" so I never read any of that.

I understand. It's like progression on stones... half strokes, circles, X-strokes... but wi' nae stones.
I've been reading about Lapping Film & Granite / Marble all week (At B & B's thread - "lapping Film - try it!" and various other places). [It's nice to see it all laid out in one place tho' but - and the first time I've learned about keeping it out of direct sunlight so it dries slowly, I guess to prevent cupping & warp.]

When I said "What do you apply the spray / chrome ox to?", I didn't mean

"What does one apply it to, I'm lost as to what to apply it to, heeelp meee?" . I meant, out of interest,

"What do you, @Billyfergie apply it to?" (I've been adding my Chrome Ox to felt and my Iron Ox to a sanded leather off cut, which work better for me than just balsa for stropping blades, after I take them off the 12k(ish) Welsh Stone).

I got three real cheap but quality 3" by 9" inch bits of lapped & buffed granite tile for a couple of quid (and a bit 3" x 3" marble to glue sand paper to - for sanding leather & for lapping my Welsh Stone). All I need to get now is for my 30/60 loupe to arrive in the post, buy the film and a sign makers hard felt block, which I only recently learned about the value of.

Still, I won't be using any of it for a while, just the Chrome Ox (on felt ) and the Iron Ox (on leather ) now and again, until the edge needs re-done properly.

Ps - it's good to know about not getting even a hair under it. The guys at B & B swear to putting a sheet of paper under the final finishing film. The cushion - they say - provides a better, smoother finished edge.)

 

[Billyfergie]

That's a Personal Thing I Guess..For What its Worth..I Can Feel the Paste Cutting a Lot Better on the Paddle Strop because its a Very Flat Surface & I have a Lot of Feedback..Also..I Can Get a Gentle Light Stroke on the Paddle Strop..10 Sets Normally After Coming Off a Hone or a Maintenance Refresh Every 4 or 5 Shaves or So on a Blade..

I Use a Feather Like Touch when Using these Pastes..I Don't Feel I have the that Same Sensitivity with Pastes on a hanging Strop..Yeah..0.5 & 1 Micron Can be Cushioned but it Takes Skill to Use it..I Would Suggest a 1 Micron Finisher when Learning..That's a Trick that is Quite Subtle in Many Ways..

Billy

 

[Lord Fatboy]

I Would Suggest a 1 Micron Finisher when Learning..That's a Trick that is Quite Subtle in Many Ways..

I hadn't thought of that - while learning, go for a good edge, not an amazing edge, because if you over hone, you don't have the experience to go back down the grits and start again. That's going in the vault.

 

[Billyfergie]

I hadn't thought of that - while learning, go for a good edge, not an amazing edge, because if you over hone, you don't have the experience to go back down the grits and start again. That's going in the vault. [/QUOTE

Yeah..Forget the Tricks..You Wont Know How to Work them Any Roads..All the Magic Happens on the Bevel Setting Hone Anyway..That's It..The Finer Points & Tricks with Film Come Later...Don't Get into all that Stuff..Too Early..You Don't Need it Anyway to Get an Awesome Edge..

 

[Lord Fatboy]

Yeah..Forget the Tricks..You Wont Know How to Work them Any Roads..All the Magic Happens on the Bevel Setting Hone Anyway..That's It..The Finer Points & Tricks with Film Come Later...Don't Get into all that Stuff..Too Early..You Don't Need it Anyway to Get an Awesome Edge..

Hey, right now I'm just gonna enjoy the shaving, no tape, no film, no fuss - especially with that Wostenholm , which I've heard some say is a half-step down from a Wade & Butcher. I dunno about that. We'll see.

 

[Lord Fatboy]

I just bought a Naniwa 1k (another bleedin' birthday present to myself, completely contradicting my previous post, but it was on sale, my hands were tied ), and a ZY feckabout to practice bevel setting...