Fake watches

Dr Watson

James
I had no idea that you could spend over £500 on a fake.

There must come a point when you consider what will be the value of the watch if I ever sell it, a fake - not much, the rel McCoy - perhaps more than you paid, particularly in these inflationary times.
There are large online communities dedicated to collecting, modding and wearing fakes (they call them replicas :wink:) very similar to us here on ATG with shaving. Easy to sell for minimal loss in the BST to fellow fake enjoyers.

Here's one of the larger forums: New tab (replica-watch.info)

Also a popular subreddit: The place for replica watch discussion (reddit.com)
 

Boycie83

Space Cadet
There are large online communities dedicated to collecting, modding and wearing fakes (they call them replicas :wink:) very similar to us here on ATG with shaving. Easy to sell for minimal loss in the BST to fellow fake enjoyers.

Here's one of the larger forums: New tab (replica-watch.info)

Also a popular subreddit: The place for replica watch discussion (reddit.com)
I was about to comment on the strangeness surrounding that part of the internet - then I remembered where we hang out.
 

Xring3

Forum GOD!
I hope I’m not misleading anyone about the knock-off watches I have. When I see that replicas go for £100 and more I could see where those are a concern. What knock-offs I have are mostly quartz movements with a few self winding in the group. I know mine will never be worth more than just a timepiece. Thinking back, the most I ever paid for my recently purchased watches was $30.00. Sometime I’ll relay what I did with one of my watches
 

Twelvefret

Forum GOD!
I've had some $30 watches that last until it rains. I got my 8 year old grand son a watch that lasted less than six months. I gave him my first Casio MDv-106 last week with a Nato he picked out. He is 11 now. I'd rather pay $45 for a Casio than a watch that will not last for $30.
 

Xring3

Forum GOD!
I understand your position and all I can say is so far my $30.00 watches haven’t broken down no matter what conditions they have been exposed to.
 

Chris

Forum DOG!
Staff member
I have some experience with these...

All sub £100 replicas use the Chinese 2813 movement which is a Chinese clone of the Miyota 8215, if you get a good one they are a perfectly accurate and reliable budget movements which can last years without a service... The issue is 50% of them leave the factory either dry as a bone or with some mechanical defect which means the watch doesn't run correctly out of the box or dies within a couple of weeks.

Once your budget increases to £100-£200 the replicas contain genuine Miyota, genuine Seagull and Asian ETA clones. ETA used to have factories in China, so the Chinese know exactly how to produce the movements. The materials are worse than genuine ETA and the quality control is nowhere near what you would find in a gen Breitling etc, but they are reliable and any watch smith can service or repair them.

At around £400 they contain genuine Swiss ETA movements, only issues are how they procured and stored them which is always an unknown.

£500+ They contain replica Rolex and Omega etc movements known as "superclones" which are theoretically no different to the real deal, only made in China with less than stellar QC :D
The fact that you can spend real watch money on a fake is just insane.

I understand your position and all I can say is so far my $30.00 watches haven’t broken down no matter what conditions they have been exposed to.
Such is the strength of quartz, even a cheap quartz movement is going to be accurate and reliable short of immersion, actual abuse or just getting unlucky. I know mechanicals get most of the love in the watch nerd community but my favourite is a quartz and its accuracy and ruggedness are two of the things I love about it. Ultimately it's a tool watch and in the purest sense of the term quartz makes the most sense.
 

Rufusdog

Forum GOD!
@chris.hale I think of quartz vs mechanical watches in the same way as I do wet shaving vs disposable and canned goop or electric razor shaving. I collect high-end, mostly, mechanical watches, although once i had a brainfart and bought a Citizen Echo Drive for kicks. I like the skill and craftsmanship that goes into making a mechanical watch and the interaction and engagement I have with it. Similarly, I write with and collect vintage and modern fountain pens and avoid biro/ball points and their ilk whenever possible. As well, I prefer driving a car with a standard transmission over an automatic transmission (including those with “floppy paddle shifters”, thank you Jeremy Clarkson). As with wet shaving, all the foregoing require a degree of personal involvement and engagement that are not present in the alternative.
 

Holyzeus

Forum GOD!
I actually follow a few sellers of these on Instagram, they call them clones.
I haven’t asked but believe they go for about £200 and look very good. Are they for me, definitely not. Although one of them does a Breitling Navitimer which I love and can’t afford…
Bizarrely my fellow Op has a £5K Tudor and a £12.5K Rolex and is tempted by a fake AP because he’ll never afford one of those 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️
 

Chris

Forum DOG!
Staff member
@chris.hale I think of quartz vs mechanical watches in the same way as I do wet shaving vs disposable and canned goop or electric razor shaving. I collect high-end, mostly, mechanical watches, although once i had a brainfart and bought a Citizen Echo Drive for kicks. I like the skill and craftsmanship that goes into making a mechanical watch and the interaction and engagement I have with it. Similarly, I write with and collect vintage and modern fountain pens and avoid biro/ball points and their ilk whenever possible. As well, I prefer driving a car with a standard transmission over an automatic transmission (including those with “floppy paddle shifters”, thank you Jeremy Clarkson). As with wet shaving, all the foregoing require a degree of personal involvement and engagement that are not present in the alternative.
I do completely understand your standpoint, but I have room in my (extremely small!) collection for both mechanical and quartz, I appreciate the benefits and drawbacks of both. My favourite watch is the CWC SBS diver, in a way I'd prefer it if it was mechanical but as it's a military-issue dive watch mechanical just wouldn't make sense for its intended purpose. The appeal to me is that it's form following function, it's designed for a very specific job so it also has fixed strap bars, which is obviously limiting but they're there for a reason and I like that. If I was buying a dressier watch it'd be mechanical all the way. I'm also a fountain pen user. As to cars, when I had my MX-5 I absolutely wanted the manual and on a twisty B road it was glorious, but my current car's automatic as I spend most of my driving time schlepping to work at 45 mph in a queue of traffic. Which is sort of my rambling way of saying that, for me, there is a time and a place for the more modern but less mechanically interesting version.
 

Twelvefret

Forum GOD!
When I first of fake Rolex watches was nearly 40 years ago. At the time you could tell they were fakes since they had a quartz movement. I am sure that over time outsourced manufacturing and design theft have improved the offerings. Thing is, will you fake do what a real Submariner will do if it gets wet? This was my issue with $30 Chinese made watches which I had hoped would be a good farm work and sports watch. It failed miserably which led to me searching for an inexpensive 200 meter watch.
 

Vacumatic

Testy
I have a TAG watch, they assure me that it is good for pressure at 100 metres, I told them straight, the only pressure I want to feel at 100 metres is when I run past that Ussain Bolt fella.

The only fakes I have seen, only three admittedly, have had mechanical movements.
 

Twelvefret

Forum GOD!
It is not so much that I will be at 200 meters as I want some assurance I can swim and do water sports and not have the crystal fog.

The real problem is finding someone reliable that can repair or service your watch. My Hamilton Khaki is still at the watch repair place as it was in 2018. The cost to send off was more than I paid for the watch which soured me on automatic or mechanical watches for daily use. I had no idea they needed servicing often (q2years). I was willing to pay $200, but after this much time, he can have it.
 
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