Colds, flu and other viruses

R181

Grumpy old man
Pretty sure the difference here is that there were approximately 12.5k deaths from 60.8M cases of H1N1 between 2009 and 2010 in USA (https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/2009-h1n1-pandemic.html) versus 151k deaths from 4.7M cases of COVID-19 in the last, approx, 6 months in USA (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/cases-in-us.html).
Yea, nothing like omitting the bad news in the comparison of the two viruses. H1N1 was a real wussy virus compared to Covid 19. Huge difference in death rates between the 2 viruses.

Bob
 

Benz3ne

Forum GOD!
Yea, nothing like omitting the bad news in the comparison of the two viruses. H1N1 was a real wussy virus compared to Covid 19. Huge difference in death rates between the 2 viruses.

Bob
One with a death rate of 3% of cases versus one with a death rate of 0.02% in the US... I know which I’d be more concerned about!
 

TobyC

Patriot
Impressive, but I think the main problem is the death rate, note the cases themselves.

H1N1 killed 12-18000 people from 2009 to 2010, while Cov2 has killed 159000 people so far in less than a year.
But with H1N1 they weren't blaming all deaths on H1N1. I don't trust the numbers when money and politics are involved in artificially raising them.
 

donnie_arko

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Yea, nothing like omitting the bad news in the comparison of the two viruses. H1N1 was a real wussy virus compared to Covid 19. Huge difference in death rates between the 2 viruses.

Bob
Not exactly the most time and tested scientific model, but I had a strain of Swine Flu last year (which hospitalised and almost killed my Dad last year) and I'm 99% sure I had Covid this year. From my experiences with both they were different.
 

R181

Grumpy old man
Not exactly the most time and tested scientific model, but I had a strain of Swine Flu last year (which hospitalised and almost killed my Dad last year) and I'm 99% sure I had Covid this year. From my experiences with both they were different.
Yes, they are both different and yes you can die from both. The big difference is that Covid19 has been far more deadly in 6 months that the H1N1 was in the 2009 pandemic.

Bob
 
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Yes, they are both different and yes you can die from both. The big difference is that Covid19 has been far more deadly in 6 months that the H1N1 was in the 2009 pandemic.

Bob
Of course. Cov2 is also way more contagious.

I had a little girl last year in my taxi who had H1N1 and was going to make the test. She was coughing and sneezing all the time. No one of course was wearing a mask.

I was 100% that I would be ill in the next days. Nothing happened.
 

Chris

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Staff member
Bit late to the party but my other half had exactly the same. Works in hospital, had a couple weeks off with virus and chest infection. Her colleague with exactly the same symptoms came back positive and she came back negative.
The one comment from SWMBO was that the antibody test doesn't mean you haven't had it, you could have and produced not enough antibodies to be detectable by the test, or false positives/negatives as they're not told the accuracy of the tests...
The Roche test is supposed to 100% accurate for a positive result and 97% accurate for a negative, if it's an NHS hospital it should be the Roche one she had. One thing we don't know is how long the antibodies last, I had something that might have been Covid a few months back, my negative test a few weeks ago may also mean that I've had it but no longer have antibodies. This would suggest that any immunity would be short lived. Note that this is purely conjecture until we know for sure how long antibodies last.
 

donnie_arko

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Yes, they are both different and yes you can die from both. The big difference is that Covid19 has been far more deadly in 6 months that the H1N1 was in the 2009 pandemic.

Bob
The pitfalls of trying to do too many things all at once, I didn't finish writing my initial post!

Yes, of course there are differences between the two. I had a different strain to the H1N1, I've forgotten the exact number for it.

When I was staying at my cousin's house, I think only one person didn't contract it in the end. The symptoms were a very serious flu, ie the temperature, cough, loss of taste and for my dad it turned into pneumonia, and he was taken into hospital where they were able to provide treatment and he made a recovery. My symptoms were a less lot serious, I had a really bad temperature for 3 days, lost a huge amount of weight but once the symptoms went I managed to recover reasonably quickly.

Covid on the other hand was a much stranger more difficult thing to recover from, I'd still have occasional symtoms several weeks after my initial ones (which lasted for about a week) for a few days here and there which seem to have come and gone, and even though it's been several months since contracting it, I've not really made a full recovery just yet.

Just from a personal perspective and as I had one of the 'terrible flus' and also Covid, I can safely say Covid is a very different beast. A few family friends lost their lives to the virus, one of which lived around the block from me.
 

TobyC

Patriot
Who is blaming all deaths on covid 19? As far as I know the numbers quoted so far have been from the CDC so where is the money or political influence coming from?

Bob
The numbers come from the death certificates, the coroners write C-19 even if you were shot to death. Many in NY and other dem controlled areas were elderly who were murdered by forcing C-19 positive patients to be placed there. They may have died as a result of C-19, but they were vulnerable, and had other health issues to begin with, and they were sealed in like rats on a ship with infected patients.
 

TobyC

Patriot





Cali had the policy, but rescinded it after 10 days.
 

donnie_arko

Forum GOD!
The numbers come from the death certificates, the coroners write C-19 even if you were shot to death. Many in NY and other dem controlled areas were elderly who were murdered by forcing C-19 positive patients to be placed there. They may have died as a result of C-19, but they were vulnerable, and had other health issues to begin with, and they were sealed in like rats on a ship with infected patients.
One of my dad's friends died from Covid in a nursing home, aside from the obvious it was pretty sad that no one was able to attend his funeral, not even his only son.
 
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