Stainless Steel Hone Type 15s incoming!

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Love the transparency and pictures on your website that detail the small flaws and what needs to be fixed. Nice to see this level of attention to detail by you, and the response from the machinist / supplier was equally great. This all gives a high level of confidence (for me) that the final product is going to be perfect. A bit different from other upcoming razors, where I have seen potential buyers debate whether to buy now or wait in the case of potential future refinements to the design.

A few questions since you kindly offered:

1. Any update for us on status and timelines? I said earlier that I wasn't going to get one of these because I have the 15t, but I'm now leaning towards it.

2. Will you be doing a quality check on each piece before sending out? I ask given the recent Asylum 17-4 case, where apparently the seller signed off on the sample and never checked the final goods and thus missed an obvious flaw (base plate not beveled). (I think something similar happened with the Enoch Razor with bent safety bars.) Plus, I was just looking at my 15t and realized there is a small alignment issue with the shorter handle, so it would be good to know you're checking each razor before sending.

3. What is the length of the handle? I have been using the longer handle on my 15t, but to me, perfection would be somewhere in between the longer handle and the shorter one. The diagram on the 15 (brass) product page indicates a overall length that falls in between, so if the default handle is like that, that would be awesome.

Great questions. And apologies for the delays. I have updated an April story on the website www.hone-shaving.com/stories Where I go into detail about the quality inspections and reasons for the delays. I share some of the information from my quality reports back to the manufacturer. Long story short I inspect my razors very closely. If you have an alignment issue on your 15t, reach out to me directly and I will get it sorted for you, that should not be the case :) (contact@hone-shaving.com or on here is also fine if you prefer)

I only got a date yesterday for the completion of the next round of samples. They will be completed on the 24th - so I will see them probably a week later... I am frustrated with the delays, and would entirely understand if others are too. I hope I cover that in my article on the site, but I won't budge on my quality.

handle length has been confusing because I have the integrated stem in my head design. So just the handle component (which is what I was originally measuring) comes up short. But useable length is 92.5mm when counting that stem. This has had to be a compromise because I can't maintain a steady stock of two handle lengths effectively being such a small opperation. And this is only 7.5mm from both the short and the long handle which I hope is in the margin of acceptable difference for people that like both lengths.

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Many thanks for the interest, and sorry for my slow reply again :)
 

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I'm a little out of the loop on the Paradigm incident? But I can understand the worry when spending a lot of money with a small producer, it can certainly go either way. I've been quite open about the fact that I am working with a new machine shop which does introduce some unknowns.

But I hope that what I am sharing of the process goes some way to answer the questions :) The ultimate would be to have the space to run my own machines and take that out of the equation.
 

Blackland Razors

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I'm a little out of the loop on the Paradigm incident?
I don't want to derail this thread too much, but I'll catch you up. Recent razor maker did pre-orders and then shipped the inventory immediately after receiving it and apparently didn't install a blade or inspect the parts in detail. Accidentally shipped razors with a profound defect that rendered it impossible to shave with and had to eat those refunds.

I think your track record for quality and attention to detail speaks for itself so I don't think anybody should be worried about this here.
 
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Hone

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I don't want to derail this thread too much, but I'll catch you up. Recent razor maker did pre-orders and then shipped the inventory immediately after receiving it and apparently didn't install a blade or inspect the parts in detail. Accidentally shipped a razor with a profound defect that rendered it impossible to shave with and had to eat those refunds.

I think your track record for quality and attention to detail speaks for itself so I don't think anybody should be worried about this here.
That is a nightmare indeed! I have found issues in batches that were not present in the samples. You have got to check everything.
 

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So... I have another delay. I updated all the pre-order customers via mail. I've copied what I sent them below. I thought I would share here with the ATG community what I am doing about it. And how I am approaching it with the customers who have ordered. And as an open forum, please let me know what I can do better, and how I can message things better if needed. - Andrew :)

I wanted to update you on the latest progress. In the last 24 hours I have learned that the samples I was expecting to receive this week have been delayed. The machine shop are struggling with COVID measures at their location causing ongoing issues. The samples are complete but there will be a delay in dispatching them. They are looking for options and I will update you when I have clarity.

This is of course not the message I wanted to send. I am now very self-conscious to maintain the trust of all the pre-order customers. So I have outlined below how I intend to handle this to ensure you as a customer can feel secure about your Hone order. I have paused any addition pre-orders until I have production of the full batch under way to limit any further uncertainty. I will restart pre-orders once production is confirmed and underway.

As an existing pre-order customer there are two options I would like to offer you:
  1. You can leave your pre-order in place. Getting the Type 15s into production is my top priority and I am confident that these delays will be resolved. But while I overcome this latest delay I want to offer the alternative below so that you as a customer have a choice and assurance.
  2. You can request that I refund your pre-order at this time. Along with the refund I will provide a unique code just for you so that you can keep your 10% discount to re-order when I have the Type 15s razors in stock. I will offer this option until I have the full batch production confirmed and restart pre-orders again. Then the standard terms and conditions will take over. I hope offering this option provides some piece of mind.
And I also want to assure you that funding for the full project is in place without the need for the pre-orders. So requesting the refund does not jeopardise production if you would like to take this option. I want to thank you for supporting Hone and placing a pre-order. As a small one-person company I know that requires a lot of trust and I hope the options outlined above shows my commitment to delivering on that trust.

This is the first time I have offered a pre-order, and it has coincided with the most complex and delayed production I have experienced in 6 years of running Hone and certainly added to the pressure. But I am determined to get the best razor I can into your hands. Thank you very much for sticking with Hone and I look forward to hearing from you. I hope that despite the delays your are enjoying joining me on the journey of production and building something unique. Please let me know if you have any questions?
 

Str8Mug

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So... I have another delay. I updated all the pre-order customers via mail. I've copied what I sent them below. I thought I would share here with the ATG community what I am doing about it. And how I am approaching it with the customers who have ordered. And as an open forum, please let me know what I can do better, and how I can message things better if needed. - Andrew :)
This is as good as it gets. Professional, realistic and full transparency. Not to mention a class act as well. Hell, I might just jump in on the Hone 15s just on being forthcoming, honest & up front with the project. Bravo..... Bravo..... :bravo::cheers:
 

Hone

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This is as good as it gets. Professional, realistic and full transparency. Not to mention a class act as well. Hell, I might just jump in on the Hone 15s just on being forthcoming, honest & up front with the project. Bravo..... Bravo..... :bravo::cheers:
The regular and proactive updates are appreciated. I think for most of us, it's all good. It's more a concern when there's radio silence. Good luck getting the situation resolved. Trust it is just a matter of time.
Thank you very much. The positive messages really help with confidence that I am going about it the right way :) Very much appreciated. :)
 

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I thought I resurrect this thread. Any news regarding the date of release? Did you run into any rather big problems along the way?
Yes! I have been in "production hell"... or perhaps "production purgatory" would be a better description. But just about starting to come out the other side finally...

Moving supplier has been significantly more work than it should have been. I know there is a lot of fatigue with the "COVID excuses", but that had the biggest impact. It shut the machine shop at a critical moment. After they re-opened, trying to pick up the job, and working around the safe working rules, and moving goods just went up in complexity for them. They were also operating with a backlog so pressure was also evident. If it could have gone wrong it appears it did; On my side as a single person business trying to orchestrate and manage this has been challenging. I am also aware that for customers it is not a good look missing my launch date by a not insignificant margin. I hope my updates have been transparent, but there is also a limit at which saying "another delay" starts to be tough... But I will come back to that later.

But to this update. After getting back to the machine shop they have the latest parts almost ready. This is an image from last Wednesday. They have resolved all my feedback on the last pre-production parts, and are now resolving the finishing. There have been a few hiccups with minor tolerances, which I caught in inspection. And with some of the ways I want the parts finished, it leaves nowhere to hide, and marks on the parts or tool lines stand out, and I won't sell that.

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One of the other issues has been engraving the branding, they have struggled to make it consistent in the stainless. To get the definition and clarity I want. So we have been exploring laser marking which has some nice results when done well. (these pictures from Friday are unfinished, and they were just tests, so in NO WAY a reflection of the final quality, just a work in progress so I can share the process. The sintered colour would be removed by finishing)

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For me personally this has been a very stressful time. I was so excited to open a pre-order, and had a whole business plan to bring new things on the back of working with the new supplier. Unfortunately I have had to fight for survival. The resources tied up in the stainless meant I couldn't restock my other razors or push the brush to production either. Securing my pre-order customers that placed an order before all the issues has been a top priority, holding someone's payment is not something I take lightly. The result is this year has not been a financially viable business, and I'm on the back foot until this stainless is delivered, so I can't wait to start moving forward and working with customers again.

The last pre-production parts were supposed to be send Friday, but they weren't happy with the branding and so wanted time to find the answer. I hope they should ship this week fingers crossed. And then I hope I can share the last update showing the parts, and saying production has started! Time management has been a big learning curve with this supplier, I appreciate these are new parts so things sometimes take a little longer than making something they are familiar with, but adding two weeks to the intermediate deadlines has become a bit of a norm...

Hopefully these candid updates are interesting, I don't want to hide the reality of what I am learning and how these things go sometimes. I know this community appreciates the artisans which is why I am encouraged to share such sincere updates. And thank you to any pre-order customers. I am going to get a razor into your hands, and I am going to make sure it is excellent~
/Andrew
 

HereticHermit

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It takes tremendous efforts for a small business to remain steadfast behind quality. But in end it all fits in nice and you earn something more valuable than profits, a name customers can trust. In time profits will follow consistently. Wish you best of luck in your endeavour.
I really like your design but unfortunately am not into heavy razors. I have the vicarious pleasure of watching other use your shaver in SOTD.
 
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