Fake watches

Rufusdog

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@Vacumatic Interesting, and more than just coincidence, Rolex advertises its watches as “Superlative Chronometers” and Montblanc advertises its pen material as “Precious Resin”. Hyperbole in both cases. Which just goes to prove, you can fool a lot of people most of the time with slick and intensive marketing

I’ve been collecting vintage and modern fountain pens for 40 years or so and the most disappointing pens I’ve owned were a Montblanc 149 and 146. They leaked from every conceivable place a fountain pen could leak from and they both never wrote properly, ie skipping, blotting, misaligned tines, etc. This was never cured, despite both pens spending more time with Montblanc than with me, or so it seemed. In the end I dropped the 149 on the carpet and the barrel shattered into a “thousand” pieces…so much for ”Precious Resin”.

As for Rolex watches, I’ve never owned one, having been warned off them by a watch collector friend, whose judgement I greatly respect. This was 25 years ago and his experience with Rolex performance issues was much the same as yours, as well as their less than top-tier after sales customer service. Rolex has created a great mystic around the brand, built on (paid?) endorsements by “celebrities“, whatever they are, and super jocks, especially regarding their exclusivity. The company produces over one million watches per year and are expanding production. How exclusive is that? By comparison, Patek Philippe produces about 65,000 watches per year; Vacheron Constantin produces roughly 20,000 watches per year; and Audemars Piguet produces 50,000 watches per year. Thus “The Holy Trinity“ produces approximately 135,000 watches per year. Personally, I don’t like the styling of most Rolex watches. The only model I’d consider would be the 1908, but the price is likely double what I think it’s worth. Also, they’d have to take “Superlative Chronometer” off the face.
 

Zorro

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I have acquired a small collection of Casio G shocks over the last 40 years, in a random way, whenever I saw one that I really liked.

The only issue i have had is straps hardening and breaking over time, but a genuine replacement strap is under £20.

The actual watches just need a new battery every ten years or so, other than that they never break.
 

Occams Razor

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@Vacumatic - I'm guessing that you choose your car for it's utility rather than the sheer joy of owning it, or as an investment, if you consider the service costs before choosing it. I think my watch is exactly the same - a good utilitarian item that does a job, and meets certain specifications, no more, no less.

@Twelvefret - did you see the 25000m water resistant one? :p: That is twice as deep as the Marianas Trench. Most divers will never go deeper than 30m (the NAUI / PADI/ SSI recreational limit). Any deeper and you'll be using a dive computer anyway. A Steeldive will be much more useful than a railway lantern!
 

Twelvefret

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Once when I was paddling and took a swim at flood stage on the middle prong of the Pigeon, I felt I was at that depth 😂😂😂

Dog gone your hide @Occams Razor, I was all happy with the Casio until you introduced the Steel Drive.🫶🏼
 

Rowlers

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I have acquired a small collection of Casio G shocks over the last 40 years, in a random way, whenever I saw one that I really liked.

The only issue i have had is straps hardening and breaking over time, but a genuine replacement strap is under £20.

The actual watches just need a new battery every ten years or so, other than that they never break.
I've fallen down the gshock rabbit hole... Doh...
 

Occams Razor

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The counterfeiting industry is driven by vanity and greed - the wannabe crowd who want to own a Rolex / Ray Ban / Cartier / Gucci / Jimmy Choo and are okay to have a copy they can flash around to fool people around them into thinking they are rolling in money. Then you get the unscrupulous who want to sell a copy to the vain as the genuine item to make money on the back of a brand that has built a reputation over years or decades. The damage to a brand happens when you can no longer easily tell the genuine item from the counterfeit. The fakes are getting perilously close to that standard. Spotting a fake Rolex 40 years ago meant looking at it from across the room. Now, you almost need to crack it open and examine parts of the mechanism. If you are at risk of spending Rolex money on a fake, you will probably play it safe and invest in a more certain brand, and Rolex starts to lose their customer base.

The question of homage watches is different. For folks like me that just want an automatic dive watch, or a solid field watch, or whatever, the homage watch offers an excellent level of features and a modest price - in some cases, even better than the original. Steeldive watches for €70 have sapphire crystal, ceramic bezel inserts and awesome lume, unlike their muse watch designs. Most have a cheap but reasonably reliable and accurate Seiko NH35 automatic movement. The thing is, that even a cursory look will tell you it isnt the brand you might have thought it was, and nobody will be out of pocket as a result.

If the real deal is what you want, then by all means save and get one. Or get an homage. But don't get a fake... it's just wrong.
 
fair question, for a lot of people, it’s less about “pretending” and more about enjoying the design without the crazy price or gatekeeping. not everyone wants to flex, some just genuinely love the look and feel of a nice watch. and honestly, with some high-end reps (like the ones from hypereptime), the quality can be surprisingly solid for daily wear.
 
Fakes that mimic every detail as well as branding are awful, and always seem to be of the very lowest quality. A buddy of mine bought a fake Chinese Rolex in Panama the other day and it looked every inch the fake. Chrome plating on top of poor machining. The band was especially horrible. Not sure if there are different tiers of fakes but his wouldn't have fooled anyone.

I'm not a collector but I've read enough to buy what I wanted to buy.

I've always wanted a Junghans Max Bill but could never quite justify the cost, so I bought an Iron Annie by PointTEC with a Swiss quartz ETA movement. I still feel like it's a reasonable alternative. Not a fake. But I get the style I want, and still made in Germany/Switzerland.

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