New Rant Thread

[Twelvefret]

Well, put the caning aside for a second and forget about where the quote came from. Do you disagree with it?

What you quoted was written by a king and a frustrated and cynical one at that. Dominant cultures are created where scarcity exists where only a few have advantages. That king had it all and in ridiculous excess. I am reminded of Victor Hugo's novel, Les Miserables.

A better quote for me is, "neither do I condemn you. Go and don't continue to live as you have in the past", or "sin no more". People live foolishly because they have not been helped to think well. Some evil people get rich and some are poor all of their lives. A deterrent like I mentioned helps the person who litters to appreciate what they are doing isn't good for others or themselves.

I remember listening to a parenting teacher contrast the difference between punishment and discipline. If you only want to punish, caning will do. To discipline takes longer but yield more long-lasting results. Love should be the foundation.

 

[slapo]

I'm not trying to put you on the spot or be adversarial.
But, I think we can all agree that justice is often perverted, by bureaucracy
My brother did a job in Qatar. He had to leave the job site for a while. So he was packing up his tools to lock them. And his contact there told him, you don't have to lock your tools. No one will steal them. That's because if you steal something there, they cut your handoff.

Could that backfire by, say, not having enough evidence to say that it wasn't the person who was in charge of using the tools who'd stolen them?
Would they then be the bearer of the punishment?
Would no extenuating circumstances be considered?

 

[Florida Man]

I don't disagree with either one of those assessments, but I am also reminded of the kid who stabbed and killed another kid on the track at a high school sporting event.
His family and a contingency of bleeding hearts, has now made him out to be the victim, and his family is becoming rich through go fund me accounts. Or what about that Mario kid who shot and killed an executive on the street and has now become a folk hero. There are problems with both extremes.

 

[Florida Man]

Could that backfire by, say, not having enough evidence to say that it wasn't the person who was in charge of using the tools who'd stolen them?
Would they then be the bearer of the punishment?
Would no extenuating circumstances be considered?

I get that protecting the innocent is the aim of due process, but you know who else is innocent? It's the people who had the crimes perpetrated against them. Since we're quoting, “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices—mint, dill and cumin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law—justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former." MT 23:23

 

[Florida Man]

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Notice that we didn't have those riots in Florida.

 

[Chris]

Or a nice caning maybe.

"When the sentence for a crime is not quickly carried out, the hearts of the people are filled with schemes to do wrong." ECC 8:11

What's ECC?

 

[Florida Man]

The book of Ecclesiastes from the Judeo-Christian Bible. It's the abbreviation used when quoting.

 

[R181]

Personally, I get the shits when religion comes into the conversation because it is subject to interpretation. Some of which has been very radical and aimed at specific groups of people making them scapegoats for bad agendas.

Bob

 

[Chris]

While the site rules don't specifically prohibit religious discussion outside of the locker room, I think it's likely that it could be interpreted as falling under the same category as "Politics etc...". On that basis I'd like to remind everyone to keep it civil, and ask that we steer the conversation away from religion.

 

[Holyzeus]

While the site rules don't specifically prohibit religious discussion outside of the locker room, I think it's likely that it could be interpreted as falling under the same category as "Politics etc...". On that basis I'd like to remind everyone to keep it civil, and ask that we steer the conversation away from religion.

Amen…

 

[Florida Man]

while that was from a religious text, the intention is not to promote or even discuss a religion. But rather matters of wisdom, justice, civilty, fairness, etc.

for example, the idea of treating others the way that we would like to be treated is a commonly accepted.
Idea of human decency but it comes directly from the Judea Christian scriptures.

 

[JamieM]

while that was from a religious text, the intention is not to promote or even discuss a religion. But rather matters of wisdom, justice, civilty, fairness, etc.

for example, the idea of treating others the way that we would like to be treated is a commonly accepted.
Idea of human decency but it comes directly from the Judea Christian scriptures.

Have you jumped ship from the Straight razor place? When I was one of the mentors over there for years, you were a regular poster. There are barely any members posting there now. I'm surprised it keeps going.

 

[Florida Man]

Hey Jamie. I have seen that you were over here but just had not made a salutation yet. I like to think of it more in terms of broadening my horizons. That said, I have been avoiding that place largely due to heated political discussions by the usual suspects which have become nothing more, then circular personal attacks and character assassination. And while I don't mind participating in a spirited debate, there comes a point when people just need to quit it. This particularly applies when more civil minded, people are asking you to cut it out. And these people will say things like, you don't have to read it if you don't like it
I liken it to being in a room in a public place. Say a bar or a restaurant and people across the room are arguing loudly and abusing each other. Who wants to be in that environment? Even if you're not participating in it it becomes all encompassing. I have simply decided to "dine" elsewhere so to speak until the hullabaloo dies down.

 

[Vacumatic]

At the end of the day, this is a forum about wet shaving. We enjoy the odd diversion as long as it is interesting/amusing or a passion we wish to share, the same sort of topics that we might talk about in our homes.

There are a thousand better and more appropriate places to discuss Faith and Politics.

 

[JamieM]

Hey Jamie. I have seen that you were over here but just had not made a salutation yet. I like to think of it more in.Terms of broadening my horizons. That said, I have been avoiding that place largely due to heeded political discussions by the usual suspects which have become nothing more, then circular personal attacks and character assassination. And while I don't mind participating in a spirited debate, there comes a point when people just need to quit it. This particularly applies when more civil minded, people are asking you to cut it out. And uh, people will say things like, you don't have to read it. If you don't like it
I liken it to being in a room in a public place. Say a bar or a restaurant and people across the room? Are arguing loudly and abusing each other?Who wants to be in that environment?Even if you're not participating in it it becomes all encompassing. I have simply decided to dine elsewhere so to speak until the hullah, baloo dies down.

Paul, that's a good enough reason. Welcome to the best shaving forum on the web. I'm sure you will enjoy it here.