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@Merkurologist They seem to have fixes pretty much all the build issues people has with it, so I reckon v4 is basically what everyone hoped v1 would be.
New Mühle stainless steel razor 'Rocca'
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Merkurologist
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Yes, I bought version 2 not knowing there was an issue with it.... if anything I thought version 2 would fix an issue with version 1
A great razor for me now but it was not so on version 2.
Dave-the-rave
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What a read this thread is. You guys should have bought the 3ONE6 instead. At least they are straight. 
Dr Watson
James
EJ had their own problems with handles falling apart:What a read this thread is. You guys should have bought the 3ONE6 instead. At least they are straight.
Anyway, after 3 abortive attempts the Rocca is now sorted
Dave-the-rave
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The 3ONE6..At least one persons handle fell apart.
The Rocca...At least one persons razor wasn't junk.
My Rocca arrives today probably. I'll keep the better of the two.
The Rocca...At least one persons razor wasn't junk.
My Rocca arrives today probably. I'll keep the better of the two.
Dave-the-rave
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1st shave with the Rocca V4. I have the R96 I think with the black handle. I'm going to compare it against the Edwin Jagger 3ONE6 throughout because they are similar, plenty folks have asked on Forums how they compare, and there's few if any direct comparisons. I must point out right here that I have used the 3ONE6 a lot, and this is my first impression of the Rocca V4, so my findings can be considered tentative and subject to change.
First off the two razors feel quite different in the hand. Regardless of specs (I believe both heads weigh 30g but don't have scales to confirm that), the 3ONE6 feels lighter and more nimble. It feels sports car like. Not that the Rocca is heavy or cumbersome. It is not. Build quality is very nice on both. The Rocca handle feels very nice on the 3ONE6 head so I will shave with that combo at some point. The 3ONE6 handle is thin and although fit for purpose, just feels wrong. Visually at least, the Rocca has less blade gap. Visually blade exposure is hard to compare.
The shave. I found the Rocca easy to shave with right out the box. No problems with weight of shave angles. With only 1 shave in, I found the razor felt best at the neutral angle, and had no dramas experimenting either side of that, shallow or steep. The 3ONE6 requires more attention. It is capable of smooth shaves but come off the 'just right' and it either losses efficiency, gets rough as hell, or it can bite big time. Get skin in that big gap and puckering of anus will occur rapido. Get it right and the 3ONE6 can shave smooth and comfortable against the grain.The Rocca had no such drama. It also felt that it would not shave as smooth as the 3ONE6 against the grain, although it's not painfully rough at all. I'd say for smooth and comfortable ATG the 3ONE6 has the edge, with the caveats mentioned above.
The Rocca is plenty efficient sitting between the R89 and R41, but closer to the R41. It feels like it has more blade exposure than the 3ONE6 but to me the 3ONE6 is more efficient. The Rocca feels more aggressive though. This smooth/rough thing, which is very subjective...The Rocca sounds rougher than it feels, if that makes sense. The 3ONE6 sounds smoother, and to me feels it when the stars align.
I'm sitting here thinking the 3ONE6 is the one I will keep. It has some strange character that I wouldn't normally tolerate, but somehow find the 3ONE6 rather charming because of them. The Rocca feels more generic and less interesting but not a bad razor. It is efficient, a fairly big step up from the R89, well made and fairly smooth. I'd say anyone who loves the end result using a R41 but couldn't handle the roughness, may well like this razor.
I acknowledge once more that this is my first use of the Rocca and my findings might change over time. One more thing, again tentatively. Muhle claim the V4 is CNC produced. I'm not disputing that but it looks and feels to me very much like a MIM stainless head. I'm wondering if the head is MIM made and then ''trimmed'' to spec on a CNC machine. Is that even possible or financially viable? I have no idea.
First off the two razors feel quite different in the hand. Regardless of specs (I believe both heads weigh 30g but don't have scales to confirm that), the 3ONE6 feels lighter and more nimble. It feels sports car like. Not that the Rocca is heavy or cumbersome. It is not. Build quality is very nice on both. The Rocca handle feels very nice on the 3ONE6 head so I will shave with that combo at some point. The 3ONE6 handle is thin and although fit for purpose, just feels wrong. Visually at least, the Rocca has less blade gap. Visually blade exposure is hard to compare.
The shave. I found the Rocca easy to shave with right out the box. No problems with weight of shave angles. With only 1 shave in, I found the razor felt best at the neutral angle, and had no dramas experimenting either side of that, shallow or steep. The 3ONE6 requires more attention. It is capable of smooth shaves but come off the 'just right' and it either losses efficiency, gets rough as hell, or it can bite big time. Get skin in that big gap and puckering of anus will occur rapido. Get it right and the 3ONE6 can shave smooth and comfortable against the grain.The Rocca had no such drama. It also felt that it would not shave as smooth as the 3ONE6 against the grain, although it's not painfully rough at all. I'd say for smooth and comfortable ATG the 3ONE6 has the edge, with the caveats mentioned above.
The Rocca is plenty efficient sitting between the R89 and R41, but closer to the R41. It feels like it has more blade exposure than the 3ONE6 but to me the 3ONE6 is more efficient. The Rocca feels more aggressive though. This smooth/rough thing, which is very subjective...The Rocca sounds rougher than it feels, if that makes sense. The 3ONE6 sounds smoother, and to me feels it when the stars align.
I'm sitting here thinking the 3ONE6 is the one I will keep. It has some strange character that I wouldn't normally tolerate, but somehow find the 3ONE6 rather charming because of them. The Rocca feels more generic and less interesting but not a bad razor. It is efficient, a fairly big step up from the R89, well made and fairly smooth. I'd say anyone who loves the end result using a R41 but couldn't handle the roughness, may well like this razor.
I acknowledge once more that this is my first use of the Rocca and my findings might change over time. One more thing, again tentatively. Muhle claim the V4 is CNC produced. I'm not disputing that but it looks and feels to me very much like a MIM stainless head. I'm wondering if the head is MIM made and then ''trimmed'' to spec on a CNC machine. Is that even possible or financially viable? I have no idea.
Wayne
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From what I read virtually everyone who bought the 3one6 sold it within a fortnight not exactly a glowing recommendtaion, then again the first 3 releases of the rocca weren't much better. I sold mine on.What a read this thread is. You guys should have bought the 3ONE6 instead. At least they are straight.
Boycie83
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I think many people were expecting a stainless 89 and were disappointed when it was something more assertive. Personally, I really like the 3one6. You and I seem to have similar tastes in razors so I'm inclined to think you might like it as well. Drop me a PM if you ever want to borrow one.
Dave-the-rave
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Virtually everybody? Makes ya wonder why they are still being made and sold.
Dave-the-rave
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Yeah a lot of people expected a stainless DE89. EJ should have known that considering they have been selling the DE89 since the eighties.
Wayne
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Lots of things are still being made and sold. Doesn't make them good. Muhle's first 3 Rocca's were not anything to write home about being mainly overly aggressive and rough. It's taken them 4 goes to make something worth using. Although I haven't tried one so am going on other peoples reviews.
Dave-the-rave
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OK then.
Shave to the grave
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Are we talking 'old 41' here or 'new 41'?
Dave-the-rave
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It's closer to
It's closer to both of them than it is to the R89.