Yes, and then to raise the original asking price after an offer was made. It is to me an unethical way of doing business but in the worst capitalist tradition.
Bob
MWF Seller Shenanigans
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Twelvefret
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How is it unethical?
chazt
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I’m with @MntnMan62. The seller was/is acting like a person who is thoroughly bereft of scruples.
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MntnMan62
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It is their auction. I wonder how you would feel if you took the time to look at a house, make an offer on it just below the asking price and they turn around and instead of just declining your offer, they decline your offer and then raise their asking price. I suppose that house seller is acting "ethically". Just because something is legal does not make it ethical.
Twelvefret
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I considered the house analogy myself. How I might feel is beside the point. It's neither unethical nor illegal to increase the price if the opening offer has not been met. Had you offered the asking price, and the seller refused to honor the bid, then you have a fair complaint.
Twelvefret
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Because the seller controls the price until a buyer agrees to pay what the seller is asking. They can freely choose to increase the price or lower the price as they choose. Let say the seller asked $10 and the buyer offers $7. The seller can lower the price to $8 if they want or raise it to $12. The complaint here is not that the seller changed the price, but that they moved it in a direction the buyer didn't prefer.
MntnMan62
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There are scales or levels of ethical behavior. I agree that the scenario you spell out of making an offer AT the asking price not being honored is more unethical than the scenario I delineated, but that doesn't mean it's ethical to raise the asking price after having received an offer. That's my opinion. And most if not everyone else seems to agree with me, although that does not influence my perspective. I am often the only one taking a position on things so no matter what anyone else thinks, I'm correct. I'm always right. I'm never wrong. LOL. I understand your opinion, which you are entitled to. I just don't agree. That's ok. Looking forward to taking time for a nice shave this Saturday. Too much going on until Saturday. Peace.
chazt
shaver
Ok. Ethics aside, can we at least agree it was uncool?
Definitely a crappy thing to do.
p.b
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However the bigger picture is you have decided to let this twat (and I agree with you they are a twat) affect you, pump up negative emotions when you could be spending your energy doing something that makes you smile- like shaving (but not with MWF in this particular instance).
Twelvefret
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Yes and also irritating.
Randy
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Yes, legal and ethical are not the same thing.
Many people are totally legal but not ethical.
Twelvefret
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For me, @p.b makes a very valid point. The negative energy this experience has caused you is not worth the soap or time spent getting upset, when there are more interesting ways to live. Hardly a day goes by, if we interact with others, we will experience something that irritates us and it lingers in our brains and robs us of our joy, but also our freedom. I am not suggesting this is an easy way to live, but we must find a way that allows us to change. It's like road rage. What allows us to have road rage is a that we have expectations of how we are to be treated.
A writer once wrote out his definition of humility as:
1. Don't pretend
2. Don't have an expectation of how you are treated.
3. Don't push
Now, this doesn't mean we have to let people do anything they want. You can choose never to use that seller again. There are consequences for their behavior.
Just this week an incident occurred. I had agreed to volunteer with a local healthcare facility providing a service for which I have much experience. After six months delay, I was told to go to a place for them to draw blood. What I was not told was that a urine sample was needed for a drug screen. I showed up with an empty bladder. At my age, I do not go around with a full bladder and no access to a bathroom, if you know what I mean.
After spending money on a uniform, a background check, and going to meetings, the whole six-month process came to an end because I had an empty bladder. What are the consequences? The healthcare facility has one less seasoned volunteer. I wasted $70 on scrubs. None of this robbed me of my joy. I am free to help others or not. I can volunteer or not. I cannot be responsible for the actions of others if they make it hard for me to help them. Same with a seller. If they make it hard to do business with them, there are more sellers who are more than willing to take my money.
MntnMan62
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I'm not all caught up in this guy's idiocy. I no longer track his listing. Or him as a seller. The rest is discussion among people with common interests, some who agree and others who don't. Nothing wrong with some healthy debate. And I do see the point between ethical and moral although the differences are somewhat nominal in terms of the ultimate result.