Home-made Lotion - Better for the Skin AND for the Blade ?

[MPH]

Hi @Gonflage .

Welcome back.

Would you be willing to let us know what's in your "shaving solution"?

I'm sure you'll get testers, but I'm also sure many would like to have some idea what they will be soaking into their skin.

If you are looking for labels it would suggest the product is near going on sale. As such has it been through whatever tests are required in the EU??

I'm not trying to be a pain, but I'm sure more would be interested if it were a fully fledged tested product, rather than a mystery solution send from someone nobody knows.

Just a thought.

Either way good luck with it all.

 

[Gonflage]

@Gonflage .... For someone who's "not advertising" and has no experience of selling in this area you seem very capable of "promoting" your product. As such, I dare say you could make a success of it even if you product isn't quite the life changer you speak of.

Your problem may be that most of us are quite happy with the soaps we use and you could never match the range of scents available, so people will still always use their current favourites.

The positive is that we all love to try something new, and I suspect many would give it a go if priced reasonably. Whether it then takes off to be a viable business depends how good it actually is...... Which will only be known by trying.

Good luck.

p.s - If you decide not to try and run it as a business, maybe you could just let us all know your recipe so we could all try it anyway???

Good morning.
Thank you for your kind words concerning my advertising/promotional abilities,…. or not.

It was never my intention to do either as at the time I had no product to sell. All I had was a jar of homemade gloop which worked very well for me and I was looking for advice on whether or not I should try to turn it into a viable commercial product and then advertise and promote it. It will NOT suit everybody.

As to life-changing, if everyone on this forum or the whole of the Western Europe decided to change over to TSS I would hardly call it life-changing, apart from Proctor & Gamble putting out a contract on me. Excuse me, must go, there’s someone at the door ……..aargh.

 

[Gonflage]

Hi @Gonflage .

Welcome back.

Would you be willing to let us know what's in your "shaving solution"?

I'm sure you'll get testers, but I'm also sure many would like to have some idea what they will be soaking into their skin.

If you are looking for labels it would suggest the product is near going on sale. As such has it been through whatever tests are required in the EU??

I'm not trying to be a pain, but I'm sure more would be interested if it were a fully fledged tested product, rather than a mystery solution send from someone nobody knows.

Just a thought.

Either way good luck with it all.

Thank you again for your welcome back to the fold.

Somebody previously mentioned the possibility of patenting TSS and as this is an area in which I do have some experience albeit in engineering circles. At this stage of a Patent Application the details are effectively "sealed" and on a due date a Patent Office examiner will need to know that the substance of the patent has not been disclosed. If it has, then one cannot claim novelty. "Novelty" is used here in the literal sense, i.e something new and hitherto unknown. Hence my being forced to be coy about the content. It will not harm the principle of non-disclosure if I say that TSS does contain glycerine but, for the benefit of those who have an allergy to it it does NOT contain lanolin.

All I can offer potential testers by way of reassurance that it won't make your face fall off, is that to the best of my knowledge, every single ingredient has either been tested from a cosmetic or domestic standpoint or is a naturally occurring food product. Notwithstanding the latter I strongly advise against ingesting the stuff. It would probably make you sick !

No, The Shaving Solution is nowhere near going on sale, if ever. I have however put TSS into some quite smart containers, which could probably be used for a production run. To complement them, I simply wanted some pretty (waterproof) labels to make the samples look a bit less amateurish. I may now have to send them out without labels.

I don't think for one second that you are being a pain and I more than pleased to have your observations.

Thank you again.

 

[Gonflage]

Hi @Gonflage

I guess I must have written pretty bluntly as I wasn't intended to offend. To be honest I don't think I have said anything out of order. You were clearly trying to gain interest in your product, I think you did a good job??? Promotion seems to be 90% of the way to succeed nowadays. However....if you were offended by my post, you have my apologies.

I wish you well with your product, but to be honest you may want to lighten up a bit or you may find it a difficult journey.

You will probably have seen my reply to your earlier post and realised that I was anything but offended. You have said absolutely nothing out of order and no apology is needed.

As to lightening up, I suppose I had rather majored on the Importance of being Ernest.

By the way, it wasn't a P & G hit man at the door, just the postman.

 

[MPH]

You will probably have seen my reply to your earlier post and realised that I was anything but offended. You have said absolutely nothing out of order and no apology is needed.

As to lightening up, I suppose I had rather majored on the Importance of being Ernest.

By the way, it wasn't a P & G hit man at the door, just the postman.

You may have seen I had actually already deleted my post. I directed it at you suggesting you "lightened up" to realise later that potentially it was me that needed to.

Reading things in text can often be miss leading and miss interpreted! Lol

Anyway, no harm done.

Good luck with it all.

 

[Chris]

One question - I take it that this stuff is going to be very different to what we're used to. How do you use it?

 

[Gonflage]

One question - I take it that this stuff is going to be very different to what we're used to. How do you use it?

Hello Chris.

Yes TSS is a bit different to what I had been used to. However I wasn't sure if folk on here would consider it different in application, particularly those that were familiar with creams or lotions, even if I did think it was different (better ?) in effect.

I thought I might write some detailed instructions or at least some suggestions to go with the samples that I am sending, but then I wondered if I might be teaching grandma how to suck eggs. If I do a write-up, do you think I should post it on here ? You realise of course that I shall totally blame you if they mock me !

Tony

 

[Grishnak]

I would appreciate a guide and not to make assumptions.
Along with any tips or prep you have found over the years.

I assume it is applied by hand, but quantity (teaspoon, tablespoons?) applied for each pass?

 

[Chris]

Hello Chris.

Yes TSS is a bit different to what I had been used to. However I wasn't sure if folk on here would consider it different in application, particularly those that were familiar with creams or lotions, even if I did think it was different (better ?) in effect.

I thought I might write some detailed instructions or at least some suggestions to go with the samples that I am sending, but then I wondered if I might be teaching grandma how to suck eggs. If I do a write-up, do you think I should post it on here ? You realise of course that I shall totally blame you if they mock me !

Tony

Hi Tony. I'm familiar with traditional shaving soap and cream that’s lathered with a brush, other than that I’ve only used canned goop. I’d appreciate some pointers on how to use TSS, and if you post it here it’ll give us more insight into what it is and how it works. Also I’d hate to not give it a fighting chance by not using it properly.

 

[Gonflage]

I would appreciate a guide and not to make assumptions.
Along with any tips or prep you have found over the years.

I assume it is applied by hand, but quantity (teaspoon, tablespoons?) applied for each pass?

I shall make so.

 

[Gonflage]

Hi Tony. I'm familiar with traditional shaving soap and cream that’s lathered with a brush, other than that I’ve only used canned goop. I’d appreciate some pointers on how to use TSS, and if you post it here it’ll give us more insight into what it is and how it works. Also I’d hate to not give it a fighting chance by not using it properly.

Chris.

Thanks for reassuring me and for your kind point about "fighting chances". I hope I shall get kit on here before stumps are drawn today. Unless rain stops play again.

 

[Benz3ne]

You will never sell it if people don't know what is in it. If you do have something truly unique then it needs patenting to protect your recipe from others who will try to steal it. You probably will need to send it to some Lab to be tested before you will be allowed to sell it to others so they can test it as safe to use. Just because you make it and use it on yourself without incident believe me there will be someone out there that will react to it and want to sue your butt off when they come out in large red blotches!
So when you have done all that you then need to promote it to your target audience EG us lot, which you are already trying to do.
Good luck! I think you will need it, as many Artisans start up but stop producing their soaps after a short while, sometimes there just isn't the market to sustain a business.
Anyway I wish you well.

To reiterate the aspects in bold. You cannot sell it if people don't know what's in it. You definitely need it lab tested, and CPNP registered.

 

[Benz3ne]

Somebody previously mentioned the possibility of patenting TSS and as this is an area in which I do have some experience albeit in engineering circles. At this stage of a Patent Application the details are effectively "sealed" and on a due date a Patent Office examiner will need to know that the substance of the patent has not been disclosed. If it has, then one cannot claim novelty. "Novelty" is used here in the literal sense, i.e something new and hitherto unknown. Hence my being forced to be coy about the content. It will not harm the principle of non-disclosure if I say that TSS does contain glycerine but, for the benefit of those who have an allergy to it it does NOT contain lanolin.

All I can offer potential testers by way of reassurance that it won't make your face fall off, is that to the best of my knowledge, every single ingredient has either been tested from a cosmetic or domestic standpoint or is a naturally occurring food product. Notwithstanding the latter I strongly advise against ingesting the stuff. It would probably make you sick !

No, The Shaving Solution is nowhere near going on sale, if ever. I have however put TSS into some quite smart containers, which could probably be used for a production run. To complement them, I simply wanted some pretty (waterproof) labels to make the samples look a bit less amateurish. I may now have to send them out without labels.

The underlined aspect is probably the most poignant. The issue is there are ingredients that (individually) do not cause issue but when combined may well do, which governs the testing requirements. This is called a 'cosmetic product safety report' (CPSR) and usually runs around £200 or so. Thereafter, you need stability testing for shelf-life (probably another £200), either as a timer symbol (less than 30 months) or an open-pot symbol (known as period after opening, PAO, for ones longer than 30 months). The PAO number, as often seen on cosmetics, is usually a number around 3-18 months, and this is the time that the product should be used within after opening for the first time by the consumer. Lastly, once you have this, and your label produced (have a look at the cosmetic products standard, Regulation EC (No) 1223/2009, label requirements and INCI names for ingredients), you need to register it on the CPNP which is a bit of headwork but not too difficult once you get used to it - there are also guides on YouTube etc. You also need to justify any claims. e.g. 'keeps skin moist' needs to be backed up with, again e.g., some evidence of glycerin being a humectant, which is usually quite easy.

I'm guessing you've polar and non-polar stuff in there blended homogenously? How is it not an emulsion out of interest? What stops it from separating?

Apologies if you knew the above, and I hope I didn't come across condescending if that's the case! Unfortunately, there are rules but the lengthy paragraph above should help with the founding stages of bringing it to market, if that's the ultimate goal.

 

[Gonflage]

Hello Benz3ne.

Last things first. No apologies needed and no condescension perceived. You have simply provided me with some extremely useful information which I would either have had to pay for or I would have found out the hard way. So thank you very much for all of it.

I arrived on this forum looking for advice and opinions, not to get my ego massaged so I remain very grateful for all input.

I propose to take things, one step at a time. I will see if members even like the darn product and then I’ll decide if it’s right to take the next step or perhaps even let someone else take it.

You have asked how TSS is it not an emulsion out of interest and what stops it separating. Not being a chemist (Petrochemist ?) I had not analysed the structure. On reflection I had naïvely supposed that the mere fact that it does not separate renders it other than an emulsion. What stops it from separating? Dunno guv – viscosity perhaps ? No, it still doesn’t separate when mixed with water. A further thought is that we are talking of a mixture, not a chemical compound.

Thank you again.

 

[Deleted member 1881]

The underlined aspect is probably the most poignant. The issue is there are ingredients that (individually) do not cause issue but when combined may well do, which governs the testing requirements. This is called a 'cosmetic product safety report' (CPSR) and usually runs around £200 or so. Thereafter, you need stability testing for shelf-life (probably another £200), either as a timer symbol (less than 30 months) or an open-pot symbol (known as period after opening, PAO, for ones longer than 30 months). The PAO number, as often seen on cosmetics, is usually a number around 3-18 months, and this is the time that the product should be used within after opening for the first time by the consumer. Lastly, once you have this, and your label produced (have a look at the cosmetic products standard, Regulation EC (No) 1223/2009, label requirements and INCI names for ingredients), you need to register it on the CPNP which is a bit of headwork but not too difficult once you get used to it - there are also guides on YouTube etc. You also need to justify any claims. e.g. 'keeps skin moist' needs to be backed up with, again e.g., some evidence of glycerin being a humectant, which is usually quite easy.

I'm guessing you've polar and non-polar stuff in there blended homogenously? How is it not an emulsion out of interest? What stops it from separating?

Apologies if you knew the above, and I hope I didn't come across condescending if that's the case! Unfortunately, there are rules but the lengthy paragraph above should help with the founding stages of bringing it to market, if that's the ultimate goal.

Some serious knowledge here man. Very nice.