This is insane

[Randy]

Be sure they are not trying to get your attention that part of your house is on fire.

I was just kidding

 

[stoneandstrop]

I am not saying folks aren’t willing to pull a trigger. My question is why they think this is their best solution? Let’s say someone steals my lawnmower, should they be punished by losing their life? Let’s say someone knocks on my door in the middle of the night, is a gun the answer?

I think most of this talk is posturing to try to give the impression they are tough. Anyone who has ever killed hunting has experienced the dead eyes of the animal you shot. I am not against hunting. I am simply saying that life is sacred and ending a life with bravado is as stupid as it sounds.

Nobody is saying that!
Please re-read what was written.
If someone is in your house in the middle of the night uninvited, it is a reasonable response.

Are you sure that you are a Canadian?

100%! There simply has to be consequences for your actions. We have lost sight of this as a society, especially in Canada.
How many repeat offenders go through the roundabout law system here is shameful.
Nobody is saying death is punishment for stealing anything.
I am also 100% in favour of firearm limitations through heavy background checks. Banning them in Canada is not the answer. We have very good laws regarding possession of firearms.

 

[Twelvefret]

Nobody is saying that!
Please re-read what was written.
If someone is in your house in the middle of the night uninvited, it is a reasonable response.

Maybe, but maybe not so reasonable.

Also, I didn't quote you. Therefore, no reason to re-read.

Firing a gun inside a house where others are present must be carefully considered. Recall the Breonna Taylor case where trained police officers decided to fire a gun not knowing where. I would never get over killing or injuring a member of the family.

 

[R181]

Maybe, but maybe not so reasonable.

Also, I didn't quote you. Therefore, no reason to re-read.

Firing a gun inside a house where others are present must be carefully considered. Recall the Breonna Taylor case where trained police officers decided to fire a gun not knowing where. I would never get over killing or injuring a member of the family.

That brings up a good point about what happens to the bullet should it go through you target and or miss it completely. The way normal houses are constructed here it is quite possible for the bullet to penetrate one or more walls.

Also, here I believe you are allowed to use equal or lesser force to you opponent in defending yourself. That would pretty much rule out shooting an unwanted intruder on sight.

I also think that under the current law it is illegal to have a loaded firearm other than at a recognized shooting range or while hunting in season. Also, if you follow the safe storage and handling requirements for gun owners it would be virtually impossible to access your gun from where it is locked up and your ammunition which is locked up in a separate area.

All that makes shooting a person a legally moot point here. The corollary to that means you are more defenceless.

Bob

 

[Twelvefret]

That brings up a good point about what happens to the bullet should it go through you target and or miss it completely. The way normal houses are constructed here it is quite possible for the bullet to penetrate one or more walls.

Also, here I believe you are allowed to use equal or lesser force to you opponent in defending yourself. That would pretty much rule out shooting an unwanted intruder on sight.

I also think that under the current law it is illegal to have a loaded firearm other than at a recognized shooting range or while hunting in season. Also, if you follow the safe storage and handling requirements for gun owners it would be virtually impossible to access your gun from where it is locked up and your ammunition which is locked up in a separate area.

All that makes shooting a person a legally moot point here. The corollary to that means you are more defenceless.

Bob

I like to think about deterrents when securing rather than depending on how I might be able to react.

 

[stoneandstrop]

Maybe, but maybe not so reasonable.

Also, I didn't quote you. Therefore, no reason to re-read.

Firing a gun inside a house where others are present must be carefully considered. Recall the Breonna Taylor case where trained police officers decided to fire a gun not knowing where. I would never get over killing or injuring a member of the family.

Where did you quote it from? I don't believe anyone said it.
Common sense was not used in that case at all and they should be reprimanded. Anyone with half a brain knows to know what you are aiming at and beyond the target. Firearm training 101. The problem is there is no firearm training required in the states - at least not in most.
It is mandatory in Canada.

That brings up a good point about what happens to the bullet should it go through you target and or miss it completely. The way normal houses are constructed here it is quite possible for the bullet to penetrate one or more walls.

Also, here I believe you are allowed to use equal or lesser force to you opponent in defending yourself. That would pretty much rule out shooting an unwanted intruder on sight.

I also think that under the current law it is illegal to have a loaded firearm other than at a recognized shooting range or while hunting in season. Also, if you follow the safe storage and handling requirements for gun owners it would be virtually impossible to access your gun from where it is locked up and your ammunition which is locked up in a separate area.

All that makes shooting a person a legally moot point here. The corollary to that means you are more defenceless.

Bob

You are incorrect Bob.
Given everything is in a secure location ammunition can absolutely be in the same place as the firearm.
As far as being accessible, they make secure small firearm safes that can be opened biometrically. These are legal in Canada.
I am a huge advocate of safe storage and believe this needs to be regulated in the states like it is here.
"Accidents" are the owners responsibility to prevent, period.
.

 

[Vacumatic]

Just put a sign in front of your house

 

[R181]

You are incorrect Bob.
Given everything is in a secure location ammunition can absolutely be in the same place as the firearm.
As far as being accessible, they make secure small firearm safes that can be opened biometrically. These are legal in Canada.
I am a huge advocate of safe storage and believe this needs to be regulated in the states like it is here.
"Accidents" are the owners responsibility to prevent, period.

Now how about where you are legally able to have a loaded firearm in your possession. Am I correct in that it is only legal if you are at a recognised gun range or out hunting legally in season. The firearm must not be loaded when traveling in your vehicle.

Bob

 

[stoneandstrop]

Now how about where you are legally able to have a loaded firearm in your possession. Am I correct in that it is only legal if you are at a recognised gun range or out hunting legally in season. The firearm must not be loaded when traveling in your vehicle.

Bob

You are correct, no loaded firearms unless you are actively hunting.
There are different rules for non- restricted and restricted.
Non restricted you can carry a rifle in your vehicle (no case) and no trigger lock when travelling. Ammunition does not have to be locked (but its a good idea)
Restricted must be in a locked case as well as have a trigger lock and ammunition kept separate - not locked (but should be) You are not allowed to travel with a restricted anywhere but to and from a gun range.
In a safe at home - no trigger lock, no case, ammunition right beside it.

 

[MntnMan62]

My biggest concern about owning a gun is the possibility that my son will come home late one night without letting me know first (divorced and he is living with his mother for the time being but he has a key). I have been considering getting a gun for self defense given I live in densely populated NJ about 30 minutes outside of Manhattan. But this has caused me to delay "pulling the trigger" on getting one. That said, if I came across someone inside my home, my sanctuary, who doesn't belong there, I would have no problem pulling that trigger. I was the victim of a break in some time ago while away on vacation. Given how they tore up two bedrooms looking for "loot", I no longer have any sympathy for scum that would violate the sanctity of my privacy.

 

[R181]

My biggest concern about owning a gun is the possibility that my son will come home late one night without letting me know first (divorced and he is living with his mother for the time being but he has a key). I have been considering getting a gun for self defense given I live in densely populated NJ about 30 minutes outside of Manhattan. But this has caused me to delay "pulling the trigger" on getting one. That said, if I came across someone inside my home, my sanctuary, who doesn't belong there, I would have no problem pulling that trigger. I was the victim of a break in some time ago while away on vacation. Given how they tore up two bedrooms looking for "loot", I no longer have any sympathy for scum that would violate the sanctity of my privacy.

We had our home broken into many years ago and they went through everything they could and took what they wanted. They couldn't get the guns as they were securely locked away. We felt violated but all was replaced under our insurance policy. We also had an alarm system installed and touch wood have not had a problem since then. The way I look at it, things are replaceable and people not so much.

OTH everyone must judge what is best for them in their own unique circumstances.

Bob

 

[Twelvefret]

We had our home broken into many years ago and they went through everything they could and took what they wanted. They couldn't get the guns as they were securely locked away. We felt violated but all was replaced under our insurance policy. We also had an alarm system installed and touch wood have not had a problem since then. The way I look at it, things are replaceable and people not so much.

OTH everyone must judge what is best for them in their own unique circumstances.

Bob

We agree. Stuff is replaceable and people not so much. I went through a having a home broken into, also, and loss of stuff including all of my blue jeans that I used for work.

I have cameras and smart devices plus steel doors and hefty dead bolt locks. I keep some mace in the bed side table drawer. I also have a 410 and a 12 gauge, but neither would be my first choice.

 

[MntnMan62]

We had our home broken into many years ago and they went through everything they could and took what they wanted. They couldn't get the guns as they were securely locked away. We felt violated but all was replaced under our insurance policy. We also had an alarm system installed and touch wood have not had a problem since then. The way I look at it, things are replaceable and people not so much.

OTH everyone must judge what is best for them in their own unique circumstances.

Bob

I agree as it relates to material things. But when these guys broke into my home they kicked in the back door. The police went through carefully and noticed that a large piece of the wooden door jam was missing. They speculated that the guys carried it as they went through the house to use as a weapon in case they found someone home. We never found that piece of wood and therefore I believe the police were correct. Therefore my justification for owning and potentially using a gun in my home against another human would be self defense.

 

[Randy]

I agree as it relates to material things. But when these guys broke into my home they kicked in the back door. The police went through carefully and noticed that a large piece of the wooden door jam was missing. They speculated that the guys carried it as they went through the house to use as a weapon in case they found someone home. We never found that piece of wood and therefore I believe the police were correct. Therefore my justification for owning and potentially using a gun in my home against another human would be self defense.

How can I disagree? In the end, better be in prison, than in the grave.

 

[Twelvefret]

How can I disagree? In the end, better be in prison, than in the grave.

Maybe.