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MntnMan62

MntnMan62

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Northam Saint said:
Sorry what I am trying to say is it’s a useful tool. On its own NO ! But for certain things it speeds things up and can give direction. It needs finishing with your own touch to it and can’t be trusted.
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I hear you. But I have to also ask, if generally speaking people seem to be incapable of thinking for themselves (I'm really referring to US citizens here), how will they be able to utilize AI in a way that it doesn't become either a crutch? And, that means the real author of so many written items will be AI and not the person claiming to have written it. My view may seem overly pessimistic but I believe fully warranted. I guess what I'm saying is that so many people in the US do not deserve the right to vote since they lack basic critical analysis skills, so how are they going to be able to handle using AI appropriately?
 
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R181

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There are a lot of people, not only US citizens, that also can't grasp the concept of Import Tariffs are paid by the importer and not the exporter. As a result, the cost to the importer is passed on to the consumers of the country that imports these tariffed goods. All that without the help of AI.

Bob
 
MntnMan62

MntnMan62

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R181 said:
There are a lot of people, not only US citizens, that also can't grasp the concept of Import Tariffs are paid by the importer and not the exporter. As a result, the cost to the importer is passed on to the consumers of the country that imports these tariffed goods. All that without the help of AI.

Bob
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This is 100% accurate. In fact it's been accurate for as long as I've been aware of business, which means since I first went to college from 1980 to 1984 and then later on in the early 90's when I took several real estate courses that focused on the economics and financial analysis of real estate. But those first years in my undergraduate education I took a smattering of business, law and philosophy courses. One in particular focused on labor, labor unions and issues that impact the labor markets. And tariffs were discussed in some detail. And back then it was taught and proven that those extra costs end up being passed repeatedly down the line with consumers bearing the brunt.
 
Twelvefret

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On a shaving related focus, old straight razors can be dated using the country of origin which was required because of the McKinley tariffs. So, pre or post 1892, if I recall correctly.

One company set up shop in the US as a sole distributor of German cutlery, thereby avoiding such tariffs.
 
chazt

chazt

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From a societal perspective Al weirds me out. I prefer speaking with a human preferably in a primarily English speaking country. Yes, it’s less expensive for companies to outsource their call centers to India and the Philippines or wherever. But being that “they” (such companies) have created the modern service economy by shifting their manufacturing out of the country, and in the process eliminating thousands upon thousands of jobs here, I don’t understand why real humans in the home country can’t be retrained and paid a living wage. I don't want to talk to an AI voice or someone reading from a script with a difficult to understand accent.
 
Paper Plane

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chazt said:
From a societal perspective Al weirds me out. I prefer speaking with a human preferably in a primarily English speaking country. Yes, it’s less expensive for companies to outsource their call centers to India and the Philippines or wherever. But being that “they” (such companies) have created the modern service economy by shifting their manufacturing out of the country, and in the process eliminating thousands upon thousands of jobs here, I don’t understand why real humans in the home country can’t be retrained and paid a living wage. I don't want to talk to an AI voice or someone reading from a script with a difficult to understand accent.
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It’s all down to the beancounters and the all-important Bottom Line old chum.

steve
 
Zorro

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AI is a subject that both fascinates and irritates me, after a long lifetime working in IT and seeing the advancement in pure speed of computers, that gives them the appearance of intelligence to some degree.

AI is a move forward from the earlier attempts to develop neural networks that mimic the pathways of the human brain - these have largely failed because we haven't been able to actually figure out how the human brain works in being able to hop straight to an answer, rather than use pure number crunching to work through all the options like a computer does.

AI is based upon Large Language Models (LLM's) which generate text based on the semantic relationships between words in sentences they have absorbed, having "read" and absorbed very large amounts of the writings on the internet.

The subsequent output can often be described as "coherent nonsense".

Researchers have found that these Large Language Models can suffer from "virtual input phenomena"; the spontaneous generation of new ideas or concepts, akin to hallucinations, without being based on any writings that they have absorbed.

Researchers call this "Confabulation", "Delusion" or simply …."Botshit" :D
 
SpeedyPC

SpeedyPC

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I don't trust AI, this will put all the human workers out of the job, and will be replaced by robots in the future. Because robots don't eat food or need cloths and money, etc etc etc.
 
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R181

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slapo said:
It'll most likely just create new jobs as old ones are reduced.
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Automation, of which robots and AI are part of, has not created new jobs paying wages equal to the jobs lost. As a result, the middle class has shrunk with the majority being pushed into the lower class and a few into the upper class. This has created a lot of unrest in various countries.

Bob
 
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