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[Twelvefret]

To me, it is the propensity of a large number of Americans to conflate any sort of socialism to be communism. For example, you are not a communist nor live in a communist country if you happen to live in a democracy that has universal health care.

Bob

Sorry, I was referring to the idea that student loan forgiveness is a communistic concept. Given the source, I am baffled someone was baffled that it was said.

For me, I consider education to be important for a healthy society. Academic work makes you think and hopefully with a measure of objectivity. What we are experiencing is a significant percentage of the population believing stuff that just isn't true or even partially true, but they hear it 24/7 and they come to believe it is true.

What I like about apprenticeship programs is there are academic and practical metrics that must be met to move on. I also like certification programs for the same reasons. No everyone needs or wants to attend a university program, but everyone, if possible, should be able to afford education in whatever form is best for them.

 

[SpeedyPC]

To me, it is the propensity of a large number of Americans to conflate any sort of socialism to be communism. For example, you are not a communist nor live in a communist country if you happen to live in a democracy that has universal health care.

Bob

Sorry, I was referring to the idea that student loan forgiveness is a communistic concept. Given the source, I am baffled someone was baffled that it was said.

For me, I consider education to be important for a healthy society. Academic work makes you think and hopefully with a measure of objectivity. What we are experiencing is a significant percentage of the population believing stuff that just isn't true or even partially true, but they hear it 24/7 and they come to believe it is true.

What I like about apprenticeship programs is there are academic and practical metrics that must be met to move on. I also like certification programs for the same reasons. No everyone needs or wants to attend a university program, but everyone, if possible, should be able to afford education in whatever form is best for them.

 

[R181]

No rumble just a debate going on for those who have not forgotten the difference.

Bob

 

[SpeedyPC]

No rumble just a debate going on for those who have not forgotten the difference.

Bob

I'm getting old and already over the mountain into my retirement, I don't have bloody time, about the so called forgotten the difference, while the generation are taking over the world now which are for example.

Generation Z: Born 1995–2009, who are literally too lazy, and becoming a real smartarse.

Generation Alpha: Born 2010–2024, this generation is expected to be the most educated and technologically immersed.... Trust me, it's, BULL

Generation Beta: Born 2025–2039, who knows what going to happen.

 

[Twelvefret]

No rumble just a debate going on for those who have not forgotten the difference.

Bob

True, and we don't shoot or drive our trucks into crowds when people disagree with us. I really like this path of humility, don't pretend, don't have expectations about how you are treated, and don't push. Live well all and " Illegitimati non carborundum ".

 

[chazt]

Re: education… I was a speech-language therapist in a NYC elementary school. Most of my students were language delayed and had difficulty learning via the current methodology of educating that’s been adopted by the NYC Department of Education.

One of the many problems with the education business today is that typical child development is often seemingly ignored or forgotten. I served on a committee in my school that evaluated students who were deemed “at risk” for falling behind. I can’t tell you how many times teachers submitted names of kindergarteners to the committee in the first two months of the school year because the children couldn’t name every letter of the alphabet in order, write complete sentences, convert kilograms to ounces, recite the Magna Carta, or some other piece of nonsense. I was constantly reminding the other committee members and the various teachers about normal child development. Let kids be kids, don't place burdensome and unrealistic expectations on them when they’re learning how to learn. Doing so is pretty much a guarantee that their love of learning will be slow to develop, if at all.

Across fields of study, young people are being taught individual skills in isolation. There’s little emphasis on building a foundation onto which further knowledge and associated skills can be overlaid. Further, because the system “teaches to the test” young people often aren’t afforded the opportunity to holistically integrate their newly acquired skills into a functional working knowledge of how to learn. Also, a great number of today’s students are bereft of critical thinking skills because they aren’t given the chance to complete educational tasks completely. Teachers are under the gun to teach 47 lessons a day and are berated by their supervisors for not sticking to strict schedules for the various subjects. Teachers are treated like cattle by the system. Their demeanor with their students is akin to: “We don’t have time to stay on this subject. Gotta move on. We’ll circle back to this in three weeks for a half hour. Practice it at home.”

Today’s students and teachers, at least here in the City of New York, are fighting an uphill battle on so many levels. It’s really quite alarming.

 

[R181]

I'm getting old and already over the mountain into my retirement, I don't have bloody time, about the so called forgotten the difference, while the generation are taking over the world now which are for example.

Generation Z: Born 1995–2009, who are literally too lazy, and becoming a real smartarse.

Generation Alpha: Born 2010–2024, this generation is expected to be the most educated and technologically immersed.... Trust me, it's, BULL

Generation Beta: Born 2025–2039, who knows what going to happen.

I too am long over the mountain into retirement by 16 years or so. OTH, I do have time for the debate about how we got to where we are now and would go back even further to include generations born after 1975. All I know is that it is easier to go from bad times to good rather than vise versa. That leaves me with a pretty pessimistic outlook for the future.

Bob

 

[TobyC]

Sorry, I was referring to the idea that student loan forgiveness is a communistic concept. Given the source, I am baffled someone was baffled that it was said.

It is a communistic concept, a welfare state income redistribution program.

 

[Northam Saint]

Sorry, I was referring to the idea that student loan forgiveness is a communistic concept. Given the source, I am baffled someone was baffled that it was said.

For me, I consider education to be important for a healthy society. Academic work makes you think and hopefully with a measure of objectivity. What we are experiencing is a significant percentage of the population believing stuff that just isn't true or even partially true, but they hear it 24/7 and they come to believe it is true.

What I like about apprenticeship programs is there are academic and practical metrics that must be met to move on. I also like certification programs for the same reasons. No everyone needs or wants to attend a university program, but everyone, if possible, should be able to afford education in whatever form is best for them.

I am a Perosnal Development Coach in Further Education, 16-18 year olds.

Apprenticeships are fantastic especially to use the old term kinaesthetic learners. It enables them to learn, achieve and be paid. But I am always stressing the importance of at least a grade 4 GCSE (Pass) in Maths and English. They don’t always listen to me on that one though.

As for student loans, I have long believed that a university education should be available to all. However many students don’t want to go to University simply because they don’t want to run up a student loan. So this for some students from a poorer background is a barrier. Just because you come from a poorer background doesn’t mean that you don’t have what it takes. Many as well haven't got the support from parents again due to financial circumstance.

Personally, I grew up on a council estate, parents didn’t have much money, no encouragement was given to study. So when I Ieft school at 16 with very little in the way of qualifications and the expectation to get out and get a job. Thankfully with the support of my wife and various employers along the way I have gained the experience and qualifications that have got me where I am. My son has a masters and a big student loan but to him it was a way for him to get to where he wanted.

 

[chazt]

I am a Perosnal Development Coach in Further Education, 16-18 year olds.

Apprenticeships are fantastic especially to use the old term kinaesthetic learners. It enables them to learn, achieve and be paid. But I am always stressing the importance of at least a grade 4 GCSE (Pass) in Maths and English. They don’t always listen to me on that one though.

As for student loans, I have long believed that a university education should be available to all. However many students don’t want to go to University simply because they don’t want to run up a student loan. So this for some students from a poorer background is a barrier. Just because you come from a poorer background doesn’t mean that you don’t have what it takes. Many as well haven't got the support from parents again due to financial circumstance.

Personally, I grew up on a council estate, parents didn’t have much money, no encouragement was given to study. So when Ieft school at 16 with very little in the way of qualifications and the expectation to get out and get a job. Thankfully with the support of my wife and various employers along the way I have gained the experience and qualifications that have got me where I am. My son has a masters and a big student loan but to him it was a way for him to get to where he wanted.

Respect

 

[R181]

It is a communistic concept, a welfare state income redistribution program.

There you have it in a nutshell. When you come right down to it, any form of taxation is the redistribution of income to provide needed services to the public of a country. Does that make someone who is unemployed ineligible for the protection a standing army provides to everyone in a country? I guess it is a matter of how narrow or wide a view on income redistribution you want to take.

Bob

 

[TobyC]

If you take out a loan, and agree to repay it with a legal and binding contract, you pay the damn thing back! poop, this ain't rocket surgery!

 

[SpeedyPC]

If you take out a loan, and agree to repay it with a legal and binding contract, you pay the damn thing back! poop, this ain't rocket surgery!

Don’t forget when you take out a loan or borrow a loan, don’t forget your mortgage payment comes in with interest on top of the loan.

 

[Twelvefret]

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It is a communistic concept, a welfare state income redistribution program.

It's not. In a Communistic state you don't own the farm or company, the state does, and you work for them. There is no collective labor. In a free state there is incentive to enjoy the fruits of your labor, whatever you choose to do to finance your life.

We might not all choose to go to college, but we can be glad that others do. We need everyone working together in a healthy, fully respectful manner regardless of demographics. We need to see others as we would want to be seen. This produces a better life than living isolation where we make some our enemies because they don't look like us or agree with us, or we think they are getting something they don't deserve.

 

[Twelvefret]

I am a Perosnal Development Coach in Further Education, 16-18 year olds.

Apprenticeships are fantastic especially to use the old term kinaesthetic learners. It enables them to learn, achieve and be paid. But I am always stressing the importance of at least a grade 4 GCSE (Pass) in Maths and English. They don’t always listen to me on that one though.

As for student loans, I have long believed that a university education should be available to all. However many students don’t want to go to University simply because they don’t want to run up a student loan. So this for some students from a poorer background is a barrier. Just because you come from a poorer background doesn’t mean that you don’t have what it takes. Many as well haven't got the support from parents again due to financial circumstance.

Personally, I grew up on a council estate, parents didn’t have much money, no encouragement was given to study. So when I Ieft school at 16 with very little in the way of qualifications and the expectation to get out and get a job. Thankfully with the support of my wife and various employers along the way I have gained the experience and qualifications that have got me where I am. My son has a masters and a big student loan but to him it was a way for him to get to where he wanted.

What value do you place on encouragement and mentoring?

I had a customer who became a friend and mentor for outdoor activities like hiking and camping. He encouraged me and showed me how. I just watched and copied his gear and clothing. I learned by doing, plus he explained why he did what he did. He also showed me how to relax and enjoy the processes.