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Agreed. There are some vegan soaps that perform better than tallow soaps, but in general, there are far more better performing tallow soaps to vegan soaps.
From my experience at least. That said - Wickham, Wolfpac & Crown King made my mind change about vegan soaps.
I guess for a manufacturer, tallow might be more easy or cheaper to use, but a few soap makers, Wickham being one of them, show that it is indeed possible to make good vegetable soap, and they will possibly get even better in the future.
I admit, that there are some vegan soaps out there, that do not work as well or even crappy ones, but the good ones set the standard.
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Tallow elevates even mundane soaps. I had a go with Muhle's Sea Buckthorn soap yesterday, and the results were as good as any soap I've used -- tallow or vegetable, regardless of price-point.
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Providing a soap works well and doesn't damage me I really don't care what's in it. I would happily buy a tallow soap, I have many. I would also happily buy vegan, and have two 1912s.
What interests me in this conversation is the smaller size. I have often wished soaps come in smaller sizes (but bigger than samples) as I get bored with the scents easily. I would be happy to pay a little more to have 2-3 soaps with different scents than just one larger one.
I am the same as many on here, I don't buy soaps because I NEED it anymore..... It will take years of not buying to get to that point.....I'm only going to buy if the scent or performance really interests me, so in that regard adding something new like tallow would probably get you lots of new sales in the short term at least.
What interests me in this conversation is the smaller size. I have often wished soaps come in smaller sizes (but bigger than samples) as I get bored with the scents easily. I would be happy to pay a little more to have 2-3 soaps with different scents than just one larger one.
I am the same as many on here, I don't buy soaps because I NEED it anymore..... It will take years of not buying to get to that point.....I'm only going to buy if the scent or performance really interests me, so in that regard adding something new like tallow would probably get you lots of new sales in the short term at least.
flip-68
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Just seen thisOriginally it was to be called 1909 but was taken by another company and Phil @flip-68 referred to it as 1912, the rest is history.
Maybe it's Phil who should choose, Phil what say thee?
- it's been a while since I've been here. will read the full thread and get back to you! I like the idea of a tallow soap - I prefer it's post shave feel but the only question I would raise is - is being vegetal based soap company a lynchpin of your ideals?
back in a bit
flip-68
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so - quite a thorough discussion eh? @Fox what are your thoughts now?
as a business decision it's a bit of a no brainer - you make quality soaps and you will create another great soap if you go ahead with this. I suppose a number of your current customers may be disappointed but would probably still buy 1912. the numbers, as noted by another poster up-thread, suggests you will probably not notice the loss of sales against the increased sales to none vegan shavers. Since you are considering doing this I assume you are not vegan yourself so I would say go for it.
Best to keep everything under one roof - so the Wickham name should stay. Just have to start a thread looking for soap names now!
good luck in your new endeavour!
Phil
as a business decision it's a bit of a no brainer - you make quality soaps and you will create another great soap if you go ahead with this. I suppose a number of your current customers may be disappointed but would probably still buy 1912. the numbers, as noted by another poster up-thread, suggests you will probably not notice the loss of sales against the increased sales to none vegan shavers. Since you are considering doing this I assume you are not vegan yourself so I would say go for it.
Best to keep everything under one roof - so the Wickham name should stay. Just have to start a thread looking for soap names now!
good luck in your new endeavour!
Phil
Lann
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I have really enjoyed reading the discussion taking place in this thread. My opinion, which of course comes from a positIon of complete ignorance and can, as a result, be therefore, completely ignored Darron, is that I imagine the difference between normal beef tallow and highland cow, bison, duck or, whatever other type of animal from which you can extract tallow, must be small. The most important factor for me would seem to be the skill and expertise of the artisan to produce a good soap from the ingredients they have available. . I buy soaps first on the premise that they make a good lather that performs well and second, the scent profile is interesting and pleasant to the nose during my shaves.
I have yet to buy a soap solely because it has bison, duck tallow, donkey milk, vegtables or whatever, in it (I'll need to look up you tube to see how you even go about milking a donkey!!!) but equally I respect the fact that for some people, no matter how big or small a percentage of the overall population they be, the use of any ingredients derived from animals means that ethically, they will not want or, be able to use a particular product.
So, on reflection, I have changed my mind from my earlier post encouraging you to keep everything under the Wickham's umbrella to seeing the benefit of having two completly different and separate brand names because I believe that no matter how small, the possibility will always exist of someone equating Wickham's to non tallow despite whatever different packaging or labelling you use and that could lead to a situation where someone accidentally uses a soap which contains ingredients that they are ethically opposed to - a potential headache you don't need.
A completely separate brand not only protects Wickham's already great reputation but challenges you to build a similar reputation by producing great tallow soaps - one of the motivating factors behind this decision I suspect.
Apologies, for rambling on but I am currently bedbound following a medical procedure yesterday and ATG is helping me to pass the time.
I have yet to buy a soap solely because it has bison, duck tallow, donkey milk, vegtables or whatever, in it (I'll need to look up you tube to see how you even go about milking a donkey!!!) but equally I respect the fact that for some people, no matter how big or small a percentage of the overall population they be, the use of any ingredients derived from animals means that ethically, they will not want or, be able to use a particular product.
So, on reflection, I have changed my mind from my earlier post encouraging you to keep everything under the Wickham's umbrella to seeing the benefit of having two completly different and separate brand names because I believe that no matter how small, the possibility will always exist of someone equating Wickham's to non tallow despite whatever different packaging or labelling you use and that could lead to a situation where someone accidentally uses a soap which contains ingredients that they are ethically opposed to - a potential headache you don't need.
A completely separate brand not only protects Wickham's already great reputation but challenges you to build a similar reputation by producing great tallow soaps - one of the motivating factors behind this decision I suspect.
Apologies, for rambling on but I am currently bedbound following a medical procedure yesterday and ATG is helping me to pass the time.
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Speedy recovery to you, Paul!
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Ok I see where you pitch your moral and ethical compass to, however would Wickham also making a tallow soap (separate tools pots etc to keep from any cross contamination) stop you from buying 1912 vegan soaps? Would you be compelled to walk away from this amazing soap? Would you be powerless to stay?
Lann
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Many Thanks Halvor
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Would love to try a wickham soap tallow variant. I placed a sizable soap order with Phil at Connaught shaving last month and as much as I wanted to try Wickham soap, I currently only use tallow soaps.